Producing AI Content at Scale, GEO Tools & Founder Burnout
The one with Samy Ben Sadok
What we talked about
- Samy's path from computer science and poker to SEO
- Learning SEO by experimentation in a CBD company
- Building repeatable frameworks
- The role of mentors (and GrowthMentor)
- Scaling typing.com from 2M to 4M+ monthly traffic
- Advice for starting in SEO: experiment on your own sites
- Polarized views on AI
- AI article-writing skill with Claude Code
- Hallucination control: fact ledgers and cross-model QA
- Using NotebookLM to find content gaps vs top-ranking pages
- Localization vs translation
- Lead-gen and link-building automations
- Nik's forum-scraping and HARO workflows
- Sara's Claude skills for site updates; building a search engine
- GEO Toolbox demo: LLM tracker, agent readiness, PR coverage tracker
- LLM tracking is non-deterministic / probabilistic
- Monetizing and building in public
- Burnout and mental health
The questions we dug into
Q1Can you introduce yourself?
He has 10+ years in SEO. He studied computer science, dropped out to play online poker for two years, returned to digital marketing and data analytics, and moved into SEO when website-integration clients asked how to get traffic. SEO has been his focus for seven years, and for the past year he's been building his own SaaS.
Asked by Nik · answered by Samy Ben Sadok
Q2How did your SEO career progress?
He learned by trial and error as a freelancer, then at a CBD company in Barcelona that relied on SEO and let him test a lot. After that he struggled for years freelancing; it took 4–5 years to build repeatable frameworks. A mentor with marketing and leadership (not SEO) experience gave him structure and confidence.
Asked by Nik · answered by Samy Ben Sadok
Q3How did your mentor help you?
She taught him how to think and structure work and trusted him. She later hired him at typing.com, where they grew traffic from ~2M to 4M+ monthly. Without fear, he iterated weekly — even A/B testing signup CTAs — and thought beyond traffic to conversion, funnel and LTV. He also recommends GrowthMentor for access to experienced mentors.
Asked by Nik · answered by Samy Ben Sadok
Q4What do you think about SEO today, and what advice would you give beginners?
Experiment with your own projects as early as possible — buy a domain and test things, even what Google says not to do. The industry is too polarized between 'AI replaces everything' and 'AI is trash'; AI is a useful tool with proper processes, but keep your critical thinking. He doesn't think LLMs will reach AGI.
Asked by Nik · answered by Samy Ben Sadok
Q5Can you tell us about your work with programmatic/AI content at scale?
He iterated a Claude Code article-writing skill; its fourth version put a 'Google Ads for lawyers' article (~$160 CPC) at position five. He then published ~170 articles (plus ~100 localized) on his own site to test scale without penalty. Traffic is mostly top-of-funnel. The biggest issue was hallucinations, addressed through multi-step and cross-model QA.
Asked by Sara · answered by Samy Ben Sadok
Q6What's working for GEO in your content?
Mostly good SEO: match search intent, cut fluff, answer first then elaborate. Additionally, query LLMs to find the facts and consensus they cite, answer fan-out subtopics, and use comparison tables. DataForSEO connected to Claude Code powers SERP and LLM-response queries.
Asked by Nik · answered by Samy Ben Sadok
Q7How do you minimize hallucinations and add unique value when creating pages at scale?
Use NotebookLM (connected to Claude Code) to compare top-ranking pages for consensus, differences, outdated info and gaps, then add extra value from other sources and your own experiences. After writing, query NotebookLM again for a scorecard versus competitors; publish only when the main agent and independent QA agents validate it. Build a fact ledger tying each statistic to a source, and use different model families for QA — even cheaper or open-source models find unique errors. Fix the skill, not the individual article, and test before scaling.
Asked by Sara · answered by Samy Ben Sadok
Q8What other AI workflows do you use day to day?
He uses a localization skill that researches each market (including pain points from Reddit and forums) instead of translating — French traffic now nearly matches US. A lead-gen workflow for a Google Ads suspension service using Octolens and Ahrefs Firehose to find people posting about suspensions and trigger outreach. A skill that improves anchors and target pages suggested by a link provider. All site content updates run through Claude Code, with automated checks when model pricing changes.
Asked by Nik · answered by Samy Ben Sadok
Q9What workflows do Sara and Nik use?
Nik: querying Search Console data (via BigQuery) with Claude; an internal tool that scrapes forums and social media for ICP problems to inspire content; and a Claude workflow that monitors HARO-style requests three times a day, with human review, earning a client 10–15 mentions a month. Sara: Claude skills that update her website and handle new-page tasks (sitemap, checks); she's also building her own search engine to experiment with crawling and retrieval.
Asked by Samy Ben Sadok · answered by Nik & Sara
Q10How should AI visibility tools handle non-deterministic LLM results, and should you monetize early?
Nik: tools should be honest that results are probabilistic; he needs competitor reverse-engineering and basic mention checks, and trusts tools built by SEOs. Sara: SEO data is directional, not exact — monetize early to validate and get feedback. Samy: building in private for months with ~$800 revenue was a mistake; build in public.
Asked by Nik · answered by Nik, Sara & Samy Ben Sadok
Q11What's going on in your life outside SEO?
He burned out after months of 12–14 hour days building (240K lines of back-end code, ~400 articles). Taking a 'break' learning ethical hacking at the same pace didn't help. His advice: don't isolate yourself, get feedback, and take care of your mental health.
Asked by Nik · answered by Samy Ben Sadok
Lines that stuck with us
- Samy grew typing.com from ~2M to 4M+ monthly traffic.
- Samy: 'When you're scared, you're not able to take risk, learn and iterate.'
- Samy's article skill ranked a ~$160 CPC 'Google Ads for lawyers' article at position five.
- Samy: even the best model's output has errors a different model family will catch — use cross-model QA.
- Samy: 'Fix the skill, not one article.'
- Samy: each article takes ~1.5–1.75 hours to generate with his full skill.
- Nik: 'We are operators in the AI era, using AI to amplify quality and output.'
- Sara: SEO data is 'directional' — it doesn't need to be exact.
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